Morality is always in reference to some shared definition of an ultimate good.
The true ultimate good which I believe is battling death through boldness and toughness.
The means for being bold or tough are often mistaken as the ultimate good and people will obsess over methods of battling death like concern for property or nature and find themselves at a greater risk of death despite having the means to control it.
Never will people habituate immoral actions due to ignorance of their evil or a reverence for doing evil.
They will see their evil as necessary to promote their ultimate goal.
When their ultimate goal is to maintain a respectable appearance and do what is socially acceptable rather than having the audacity to simply make sure everyone gets along they will die and take others with them.
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Morality is always in reference to some shared definition of an ultimate good.
The true ultimate good which I believe is battling death through boldness and toughness.
The means for being bold or tough are often mistaken as the ultimate good and people will obsess over methods of battling death like concern for property or nature and find themselves at a greater risk of death despite having the means to control it.
Never will people habituate immoral actions due to ignorance of their evil or a reverence for doing evil.
They will see their evil as necessary to promote their ultimate goal.
When their ultimate goal is to maintain a respectable appearance and do what is socially acceptable rather than having the audacity to simply make sure everyone gets along they will die and take others with them.
Morality, by your figuring, is nothing more than desperately keeping a fingernail grip on life to the very bitter end. This is nothing more than a translation of emotion, base impulse, the drive to stay alive and the childish, animalistic fear of death, to reason. Translating emotion or impulse, which is inherently outside the realm of rationality, into logical statements is always flawed thinking.
Furthermore, this definition you have put forth comes into collision with all existing systems of morality or ethics. This should be an indicator to you that something may be wrong with your thinking, and that further examination may be due. Your system is psychopathic in nature, with no regard for others whatsoever, as you recognize no greater good than simple survival. This, I firmly believe, promotes pure chaos. No society could exist for long upon these, or rather this singular ideal.
I would conclude that you have a lot of self-character and cognitive work to do before your ideas can ever be so much as possible to mount an argument in favor of against an unskilled opponent. You are an adult yet you still fear death. I can only imagine you still fall prey to other immaturities which are characteristic of small children and animals. This is a seriously deep character flaw which you need to address. In short, grow up.
Dr. Gene Ray, Ph.D. - go to this post
Morality, by your figuring, is nothing more than desperately keeping a fingernail grip on life to the very bitter end. This is nothing more than a translation of emotion, base impulse, the drive to stay alive and the childish, animalistic fear of death, to reason. Translating emotion or impulse, which is inherently outside the realm of rationality, into logical statements is always flawed thinking.
Furthermore, this definition you have put forth comes into collision with all existing systems of morality or ethics. This should be an indicator to you that something may be wrong with your thinking, and that further examination may be due. Your system is psychopathic in nature, with no regard for others whatsoever, as you recognize no greater good than simple survival. This, I firmly believe, promotes pure chaos. No society could exist for long upon these, or rather this singular ideal.
I would conclude that you have a lot of self-character and cognitive work to do before your ideas can ever be so much as possible to mount an argument in favor of against an unskilled opponent. You are an adult yet you still fear death. I can only imagine you still fall prey to other immaturities which are characteristic of small children and animals. This is a seriously deep character flaw which you need to address. In short, grow up.
I advise you try to spend more than 4 hours in the contested territory of Palestine or Ukraine.
If war doesn't scare you then I ask how much of an adult unafraid of death you have to be to survive an alaskan winter or frankly any winter without the efforts of literally millions of people afraid of death from heat, cold, starvation, disease or any of the many millions of ways you can succumb to death.
Then I would ask you to tell me how you of all people could be trusted around others when you are so cavalier about mortality and how this disposition is that of a well tempered adult specifically.
Also Perhaps you haven't ever heard anything like I have said because I am actually well versed in the field of morality and as a result of exceptional cognitive effort arrived at something novel. I assure you the assumptions are founded in the most resilient of axioms that have served societies well for thousands of years despite how novel it appears.
Only someone drunk on peacetime and passivity would be sufficiently deluded to think that they were not an animal that must remember to die.
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I advise you try to spend more than 4 hours in the contested territory of Palestine or Ukraine.
If war doesn't scare you then I ask how much of an adult unafraid of death you have to be to survive an alaskan winter or frankly any winter without the efforts of literally millions of people afraid of death from heat, cold, starvation, disease or any of the many millions of ways you can succumb to death.
Then I would ask you to tell me how you of all people could be trusted around others when you are so cavalier about mortality and how this disposition is that of a well tempered adult specifically.
This feeble attempt at a rebuttal is absolutely pathetic. Please make coherent posts going forward. I won't even grace this with an attempt to decipher your nonsense. You're only feeding into my point with this highly flustered, emotional, hasily concocted nonsensical post. While I cannot find any rational argument here, I can see the "thinking with emotion" that characterizes your whole mentality.
Furthermore, survival need not stem from fear of death. Fear can paralyze the logos and thus lead to death or worse, a position to which death would be preferable. Thus your thinking or lack thereof falls flat on its face in reality.
Him who places his life above all else inherently cannot ever be trusted around others. Him who fears not death is freed to take actions beneficial to others and thus is the only one who can be trusted. Your point, then, is moot.
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Also Perhaps you haven't ever heard anything like I have said because I am actually well versed in the field of morality and as a result of exceptional cognitive effort arrived at something novel. I assure you the assumptions are founded in the most resilient of axioms that have served societies well for thousands of years despite how novel it appears.
Wrong again! I have seen plenty of weak minded, weak willed individuals desperately clinging to life as the ultimate good. How it is rationalized is utterly irrelevant. There is nothing original about your line of thinking. And no, nothing novel.
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Only someone drunk on peacetime and passivity would be sufficiently deluded to think that they were not an animal that must remember to die.
You have one thing right. You are an animal. There is no distinction between you and an animal whatsoever. You think with emotion and instinct, and then use reason after the fact to put makeup and lipstick on the pig, so to speak. Also, you're contradicting yourself. Remembering to die collides directly with avoiding death at all costs. So which is it?
You propose as a framework of morality to be that you ignore all threats at risk of being too scared to think clearly.
Perhaps you are in one such frenzy right now and cannot in good faith offer anything but my condolences for seeing the horrors of reality for the first time in your life.
It is rather evident from your very emotional responses that I am right and have struck a raw nerve. It seems you've become defensive over my critique of your lack of true moral fiber. Rationalization of animism is not morality, it is barbarism.
Dr. Gene Ray, Ph.D. - go to this post
Wrong again! I have seen plenty of weak minded, weak willed individuals desperately clinging to life as the ultimate good. How it is rationalized is utterly irrelevant. There is nothing original about your line of thinking. And no, nothing novel.
You have one thing right. You are an animal. There is no distinction between you and an animal whatsoever. You think with emotion and instinct, and then use reason after the fact to put makeup and lipstick on the pig, so to speak. Also, you're contradicting yourself. Remembering to die collides directly with avoiding death at all costs. So which is it?
There's no contradiction. Someone who forgets that they must die will neglect to consider how they wish to die. When you have a concern for a good death many other more horrible deaths are much more terrifying and clearer to avoid.
Dr. Gene Ray, Ph.D. - go to this post
It is rather evident from your very emotional responses that I am right and have struck a raw nerve. It seems you've become defensive over my critique of your lack of true moral fiber. Rationalization of animism is not morality, it is barbarism.
Defense is the nature of discussion. Becoming defensive is a movement of combat and I am not ashamed for giving you the respect of an opponent but perhaps it is too much for you to bring conflict into your life
you ought to resign on those grounds
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You propose as a framework of morality to be that you ignore all threats at risk of being too scared to think clearly.
Perhaps you are in one such frenzy right now and cannot in good faith offer anything but my condolences for seeing the horrors of reality for the first time in your life.
Notice that I didn't propose any framework of morality. I criticized yours and tore it down. Any such assertions to the contrary stem entirety from your frightened imagination.
Furthermore, I am connected with reality on a far deeper level than you will ever be. You're concerned only with superficial aspects of reality which in the end are utterly irrelevant. This is nothing more than a rationalization of your ravenous sex drive. Once again, pathetic.
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There's no contradiction. Someone who forgets that they must die will neglect to consider how they wish to die. When you have a concern for a good death many other more horrible deaths are much more terrifying and clearer to avoid.
You're further contradicting yourself. Is it avoidance of death or is it choosing a manner of death? Those are two mutually exclusive ideas. What makes one death terrifying and another not when the nature of death is that it all leads to the same end regardless.
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Defense is the nature of discussion. Becoming defensive is a movement of combat and I am not ashamed for giving you the respect of an opponent but perhaps it is too much for you to bring conflict into your life
I'm not referring to rational defense. I'm referring to your becoming emotionally enflamed and flustered over a simple discussion. It's as though I've offended your very sense of self. This is immature behavior, and has no place in logical discourse. You've closed yourself off and now you're trying to protect your fragile ego regardless of how much of an ass you make of yourself in the process.
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you ought to resign on those grounds
You ought to cease replying out of the embarrassment of your own positions. The merit of your very own posts is enough to abandon this forum altogether, my own posts not even considered for sake of argument. I need not even argue against your points to illustrate your folly, you achieve this of your own accord.
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This is nothing more than a rationalization of your ravenous sex drive.
Hell yeah
๐ฟ ๐ฅ๐ณ๐๐ ๐ฎ๐ฐ๐ฅ๐ง๐ฅ๐๐ผ ๐ ๐๐ฒ. ๐จ๐๐ฉ๐ฅ๐ง๐ฏ๐๐ฐ ๐ฆ๐ ๐ ๐๐ฎ๐จ๐๐๐ฆ๐ ๐ ๐ซ๐ค๐๐ฆ๐ฅ๐ฆ๐ ๐๐ต๐. ๐๐ฆ๐ ๐ฎ๐ฐ๐๐ข๐ฒ๐ป๐ ๐ฃ๐จ๐๐ฆ๐ ๐๐ด๐ ๐ท๐๐จ๐๐ฆ๐๐ฐ ๐ฏ ๐๐ง๐ฏ๐จ๐๐ฆ๐๐ฐ. ๐ ๐ฃ๐จ๐ ๐ท๐๐จ๐๐ฆ๐๐ฐ ๐ฆ๐ ๐ ๐ฃ๐จ๐ ๐ ๐ฉ๐๐ฆ๐ค๐ฆ๐๐ฐ ๐ ๐๐ฑ๐ฏ๐ก ๐ ๐ข๐ป๐ค๐ ๐๐น ๐ ๐๐ต๐ ๐ ๐๐น๐๐ง๐ค๐. ๐ ๐ฃ๐จ๐ ๐๐ง๐ฏ๐จ๐๐ฆ๐๐ฐ ๐ฆ๐ ๐ ๐ฃ๐จ๐ ๐ ๐ฉ๐๐ฆ๐ค๐ฆ๐๐ฐ ๐ ๐๐ฑ๐ฏ๐ก ๐๐น๐๐ง๐ค๐ ๐๐น ๐ ๐๐ต๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ข๐ป๐ค๐.
๐๐บ ๐ธ ๐๐ฐ๐๐๐ ๐ข๐ฆ๐ ๐ฎ๐ง๐๐ฎ๐ฆ๐๐ง๐ฏ๐ ๐ ๐ซ๐ค๐๐ฆ๐ฅ๐ฆ๐ ๐ฐ๐๐ฆ๐ค: ๐๐จ๐ฏ๐ฆ๐. ๐๐ด๐ ๐ฃ๐ซ ๐๐จ๐ฏ๐ฆ๐ ๐ข๐ฆ๐ค ๐๐ฒ ๐ฉ ๐๐ฌ๐๐จ๐ฏ๐ ๐๐ฒ๐ฅ๐ ๐ข๐ฒ๐ค ๐ ๐จ๐๐ช๐ฅ๐ง๐ฏ๐ ๐๐ฑ๐๐ ๐๐ง๐ ๐๐ณ๐ ๐ข๐ณ๐ฏ๐. ๐ ๐๐ฐ๐๐๐ ๐ธ ๐ฉ ๐๐ฎ๐ฆ๐๐ฆ๐ฅ ๐๐ฎ๐ต ๐ข๐ฆ๐ ๐๐ง๐ ๐๐ฉ๐ฏ ๐๐ฐ ๐๐ฟ๐ง๐ ๐ฆ๐ฏ ๐ฃ๐ฆ๐ ๐ฅ๐จ๐ฏ๐ฐ ๐๐น๐ฅ๐. ๐ ๐ฏ๐ฑ๐๐ผ ๐ ๐๐ฐ๐ ๐๐ฐ๐๐๐ ๐ธ ๐ข๐ฉ๐ ๐๐ฎ๐ฆ๐ ๐ฉ๐๐ฌ๐ ๐๐จ๐ฏ๐ฆ๐. ๐ฆ๐ ๐ฏ๐ฐ๐๐ ๐๐ณ๐ ๐ข๐ณ๐ฏ ๐๐ฐ๐๐ ๐ ๐๐ฎ๐ฐ๐ ๐ฉ ๐ข๐น, ๐ฏ ๐๐ด๐ ๐ฃ๐ต ๐ฃ๐จ๐ ๐ฏ๐ช๐ ๐๐น๐๐ ๐๐จ๐ฏ ๐๐๐ฆ๐ค ๐๐ฒ ๐ณ๐๐ช๐ฏ ๐๐ง๐ฅ. ๐๐ด๐ฏ๐ ๐๐จ๐ฏ๐ฆ๐.
๐๐ฐ๐๐ฉ๐ฅ๐ฆ๐ ๐จ๐๐ฉ๐ฅ๐ง๐ฏ๐ ๐ฎ๐ฐ๐๐ข๐ฒ๐ผ๐ ๐ ๐ฉ๐๐ฆ๐ค๐ฆ๐๐ฐ ๐ ๐๐จ๐๐ค ๐ช๐ค ๐ ๐ ๐๐ฐ๐๐๐. ๐ ๐ฅ๐ด๐๐ ๐๐ฎ๐ง๐๐ป๐ณ๐ ๐ ๐๐ฐ๐ ๐๐ฐ๐๐๐ ๐ฆ๐ฏ ๐ฏ๐ณ๐ฅ๐๐ผ ๐ธ ๐๐ป๐๐ฐ๐ฏ: ๐๐๐ฐ๐ป๐ณ๐, ๐๐๐ฎ๐ฆ๐๐, ๐๐น๐ฅ๐ฒ๐๐ฉ, ๐ค๐ฑ๐๐ณ๐, ๐๐ฆ๐ฅ๐ฐ๐ฉ, ๐๐ซ๐ค๐๐ฆ๐, ๐๐น๐๐ณ๐, ๐๐ฆ๐๐บ๐ฉ, ๐ฎ๐ช๐ฏ๐ฉ, ๐ค๐ฐ๐ด, ๐๐ฉ๐ค๐ฑ๐ฏ๐ฉ, ๐๐น๐๐ต๐ ๐ฏ ๐๐ป๐๐ป. ๐ช๐ค ๐ ๐ ๐๐ฐ๐๐๐ ๐ข๐ฆ๐ค ๐๐ฆ๐ค ๐ฟ ๐ฉ ๐๐ฌ๐๐จ๐ฏ๐ ๐๐ฒ๐ฅ๐ ๐๐ฐ๐๐น ๐ฟ ๐๐ฑ๐ ๐ ๐ค๐ช๐ ๐๐ค๐ฐ๐ ๐ฆ๐ ๐ฟ ๐ธ ๐ฏ๐ช๐ ๐จ๐๐ฉ๐ฅ๐ง๐ฏ๐.
๐ ๐๐ต ๐๐จ๐๐ค ๐๐บ ๐ธ ๐๐น ๐๐ด๐๐ฒ๐ง๐๐ฐ๐ ๐ ๐ฅ๐จ๐ฏ ๐๐จ๐ ๐ฏ๐ฐ๐ ๐ ๐๐ฐ ๐ฎ๐จ๐ค๐ฐ๐. ๐๐ฐ๐ ๐๐ด๐๐ฒ๐ง๐๐ฐ๐ ๐ ๐ฅ๐จ๐ฏ ๐ธ ๐๐๐ฐ๐ฎ๐ฆ๐๐น๐ฑ๐, ๐ฆ๐๐ฏ๐ฆ๐๐น๐ฑ๐, ๐ญ๐๐ข๐ฉ๐๐น๐ฑ๐, ๐ฏ ๐๐บ๐ฉ๐๐น๐ฑ๐. ๐ข๐ฆ๐๐ฆ๐ฏ ๐ง๐๐ฎ๐ฐ ๐๐ด๐๐ฒ๐ง๐๐ฐ ๐๐บ ๐ฆ๐ ๐ฉ ๐ค๐ฐ๐๐ผ ๐ฃ๐ต ๐ฃ๐จ๐ ๐ ๐ฎ๐ง๐๐๐ช๐ฏ๐๐ฆ๐๐ฆ๐ค๐ฆ๐๐ฐ ๐ ๐ง๐ฏ๐ ๐ป๐ฆ๐ ๐ช๐ค ๐ ๐๐บ ๐๐ฐ๐๐ฉ๐ค ๐ธ ๐๐ช๐ค๐ฅ ๐ฏ ๐ฏ๐ง๐๐ผ ๐๐ช๐ค ๐๐ฆ๐๐๐ฅ ๐ ๐๐ฐ๐๐ณ๐ฅ๐ฆ๐ ๐ ๐๐ฐ๐๐ฉ๐ค ๐ ๐ฉ ๐๐ฐ๐๐.
(This is a test to see if you're a good faith actor or someone who only has casual convictions)
suppose I got my answer
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suppose I got my answer
Clearly you fail to understand how a forum works. This isn't text messaging, replies aren't meant to be instantaneous. This is a place where substantive replies are meant to be drafted asynchronously. If you can't be patient, that's too bad. Some people have lives, unlike you, and log in and out at different times of the day.
Robert Adamant - go to this post
Hell yeah
I rest my case.
Robert Adamant - go to this post
(This is a test to see if you're a good faith actor or someone who only has casual convictions)
Hiding behind Shavian is a cowardly attempt at an out for someone who realizes that he has lost. I can read that garbage and I'm not interested in your meaningless ideology with your baseless "beast" concepts and all of that horseshit. You are a bad faith actor because you're attempting to flee the argument by presuming I won't be able to or bother reading your junk that you've intentionally obfuscated. Your convictions are entirely baseless and indefensible which is why you refuse to openly present them in a plainly readable format. You're a coward and you evidently aren't confident enough in your own ideology to present it in the open. You're a disgrace to this forum and you're incapable of conversing at the big boy table. Go back to 4chins or whatever grungy hole you crawled out of.
Furthermore, this is a forum which makes use of the modern Latin alphabet. We are not going to move over to Shavian. You aren't special or cool or esoteric for using a phonetic alphabet that you didn't even make. Grow up.
had I failed to read all of Plato this would still be entertaining to me.
You clearly have no interest in showing how committed you are to making my life as good as possible. It's unfortunate yet predictable.
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